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No I'm not Vanda herself.

My opinions have always been to be positive, to let people see the postive of his death. Everything you have said has been negative. I guess if that's what your forum is all about, blasting and shit talking then I'm out of here. As human beings, we have to find a balance and listen to both sides, not think about the negative all the time. I guess you enjoy the shit talking and negative that's why you wanted this forum to be that way. It was nice to meet you but if people like me are not welcome then I'll take my opinions elsewhere. I hope you find positive things in your life so you can look at the world positively.

I didn't say I was your boss. I was merely stating that you should be careful with your words because they are coming out strong as hatred for Bow. But I guess you don't like it when people point it out to you what they see. I never said I doubted his treatments, I said that he was probably in the best care possible but if he was my patient, I would have done this and that based on what I read only. I don't know his treatment therapies because I don't have it in front of me but that's based public reports and what you're saying, I was only expressing my opinion on my own treatment based on my own experience as a doctor.

I said that Por was probably protecting his family, that's why he didn't disclose them to the public. That's his choice. It's people like you who are upset over it. Now that his wife is out in the open, again it's people like you who are upset again. So too bad, nothing seems to be pleasing you at all.

I think you're too upset over this matter and is taking it personally. Even you're attacking me, a guest in your forum. So what????? You have to be right all the time? I'm merely pointing this out so everyone can see what's wrong with your posts. They are all your opinions, which I understand is different from mine but they are very strong words that form one conclusion: that you have a strong hatred for Bow and Por. Now if that's not your intentions, then like I said before, please choose your words carefully to express what you're saying. Geez

I was going to keep silent on this matter but I personally think Mai has a personal attack and dislike for Bow. I don't know if you're his fan and is not liking how is wife is mourning him to your liking but bashing his widow is not the way to go. As a moderator of this forum, I'm disappointed in your strong opinion without facts. All you're using to support your strong dislike about Bow is what you see in pictures, gossips, news. It's not like you're close to him or his family anyway. You said so yourself that you will judge her because she is a public figure. That's all, all your opinions are judged by what you see. First you accused the hospitals for failing to treat him properly without knowing his medical records/treatments, then Por for not disclosing his wife and child to the public, then now his widow for not grieving to your liking, even going as far as commenting on her plastic surgeries. Now you have form this hatred for his widow and all that she is doing, even commenting that she will probably be married in less than a year to someone else. That's not a nice way to talk about someone's widow and the deceased. I do not mind the discussion about what is right and what is wrong but based on your previous post, it seem like you feel wronged that Por didn't disclose his family to people like you, who thinks they have the right to know about it. The thing is, you don't have that right, whether he share his family or not is up to him even if he is a public figure. If you don't like it, then just ignore it for now. I said it before and I'll say it again, it's too soon to judge his wife like this. Give it a year or two. I'm not his fan, I only watched one of his drama but I am sad over his death and I still respect him. I think you're just shock over his death and is taking your anger out towards his wife, for that I will let it slide. But if you want to continue to comment then choose your words carefully. Thank you

Doing a photoshoot and interviews Doesnt mean the fans and whatever need to stick their cameras in her child's face. It was not right for the media and people to do that to her during the funeral and such. Just because she agreed to photoshoot doesn't mean all privacy a normal person get is out the door. The media is hot on her tail because they are curious about her and the child. However, at the same time they went overboard during the funeral coverage.

Personally I don't mind what she is doing. So what if she was secretive before and then is now more active on social media? Maybe it's her way of mourning because fans and the media were a huge part of her husband's life. It wasn't like she was posting this and that on IG all the time, just one post a day about her husband and child. So what if she has photo shoots and interviews, she has to make a living now and while the news is hot on her tail. It's not like she's doing something shameful. In the US, we get interviews and photoshoot of the celebrities all the time, whether they what it or not it's everywhere. It's probably the same thing in her case. We can't stop her from going to the mall and then fans are flocking her and Mali for photos. The fans are mourning Por too and being close to her and Mali is a way for them all to connect. I think it's too early to judge her and to accuse her of getting married with someone within two years, etc. is a little too harsh. We don't know her and why she is doing this or that so don't accuse her so harshly yet. Give it time and then we shall see.

This is the weirdest show ever. What's the point of having your stars walking the runway, it's weird. Just do a segment on TV and it'll probably be enough.

I understand some of you guys' opinions. Yes, it's weird that she is out in public so much and I questioned myself that too since its hasn't been a month since Por passed. However, I remembered my friend who lost her boyfriend in an accident where she survived and he didn't. She was an introvert but made a 180 into someone so outgoing, showing up everywhere, etc. It was her way of mourning, her way to move on, and to hide her sadness so nobody need to worry about her anymore. We don't know what Bow's intentions are but at least we can say that Nong Mali is very much loved by her mother. I'm sure Bow and Por probably spoke about their future without him, have a plan already in case he doesn't make it. We don't know if this magazine shoot was plan before or after his death. Plus with him in the hospital for so long, we don't know how their financial status is anymore. It's up to Bow now to find a way to make a living. We don't know, she might be smiling and all in public but once alone, crying and sad. Living in Thailand isn't the same as here in the US. Job opportunities and salary are different. Plus she might have been a stay at home mom the entire time Mali was born so yes, she has to make a living and do it quick too. Not only that, the media is still hot on Mali so this is the golden opportunity. Please don't be harsh on her. She lost her husband and still has a long way to live without him. Her child's future is solely her responsibility now. Plus when someone lost their loved ones, there are all kind of emotions involved. Maybe she is just going with the flow now. What I don't like so much is people up in hers and Mali's face wherever they go. It's like geez, leave that baby girl alone.

@PP_BB, I think to some it's hard to determine why things were held and why things happen that's why it's hard to comment on his medical case. If it was my patient, IV fluids would have been the way to go before his renal failure and even during with dialysis involved. You cannot withheld fluids as his body can become dehydrated too and we don't know if it's acute renal failure or CKD, which are both treated differently. I'm not sure when his IVs were held during his course of therapy but like I said before, my thinking is that he was in the best hands, that the hospital tried their best. I don't think any provider will purposely hurt their patient. It's a sad case really because he had so many complications that he could have passed due to any one of those complications. Would he had stand a chance if he was treated in the US? We don't know, the body response differently to treatments. I think timing was the biggest factor, like when he was admitted and with which symptoms along with how his body respond to treatment. Fact is we don't know his medical case so we can just assume.

Awww, again, let's calm down. Por is gone, he's not here to defend himself. Regardless, he was a good person so let's not accuse him of this and that, he has his reasons. As for Bow, now that Nong Mali is out, I don't have any problem with her sharing pictures of Mali on IG. I'm not upset over his actions at all whether he is gone now or even if he's was to be still alive. He has his reasons

I think the media just didn't dig deep enough since he wasn't as popular in the same way like Mark, Nadech, etc. I feel like the older generation actors and actresses are not in the news as much as the younger generation. Either way, he's gone now so it doesn't matter to me. I don't get why fans and media or whoever is making it a big deal. These celebrities are human beings, they have their own lives. They don't owe it to us to showcase their personal lives outside of work. Yeah yeah, they are in the public eyes but maybe it's just me. I don't need to know their every move as long as they are happy and is coming out with a new lakorn and such. I agree with above comment that by being close to Bow and Mali, fans get to grieve and still feel connected to Por.

Awwww...why is this a big deal now. So he hid his daughter and wife a secret. I don't know, maybe he has good reason. Plus he's not the type of celebrity who is always in the news for stupid things anyway so it's not entirely his fault if the media didn't get a wind of this personal life. I'm sure they would have figure out if they dug deep enough, it wasn't like he was hiding them at home, there are pictures of them everywhere on outings. Also, yes her marriages and timing of them are strange to me too but who cares. Asians get married young, it's just not as common here in the USA/Canada because we are too focus on our career first. Also, if they had dated for over 10 years and she was pregnant with Mali before they got married, no big deal!!! They are adults.....

As for Mali, she's only 2. My son is 2, almost going on 3 and he is just as active as her. Children are usually closer to their moms at this stage and because Por was in the hospital for awhile, she probably doesn't understand that he passed. For children this young, they don't understand yet. She probably thinks her daddy went to work or is still sleeping at the hospital. My son thinks his daddy is always working whenever my husband is not around. To their innocent mind, mom and dad went to work and will come back later. So nope, she probably doesn't understand yet. However, it's not like Bow is keeping it a secret, she brings Mali up to the coffin and to see his picture. It's just that she is still too young to know. I think it's good this way, for her to retain her good memories of daddy and not have to deal with her daddy's passing. That way Bow can grieve properly without having to worry about Mali too. Sure, she will know someday but by then it will be long enough that she won't be so traumatized by it.

Por seems like a very chill and laid back kind of guy who's not in your face like of a celebrity. I understand why he was very private with his personal life. He did it to protect his wife, to allow her to still have a normal life instead of having to be thrown into the limelight and have her moves judged all the time. He did it to protect Nong Mali, so he can enjoy his time with her at this innocent age. Celebrities today are not like they used to be 10 years ago. With so many social media and stuff, their every move is being critique all the time. I'm so proud of Por and Bow for protecting Nong Mali all this time. I would have done the same thing. Look at what's happening now, he's gone but people will be digging into Bow's past and taking pictures of Mali every's move. I'm so sad he's not here to protect them anymore but as fans, please respect his wishes. Protect them as he would wanted to. Someday Nong Mali will know about her father, I hope she will be able to say that he had the greatest of fans who protected her. I'm very sad for Bow, to lose her husband so young. Not sure if she was married before but if so, then it's even more sad as we know how Asian culture can be when a woman has more than one husband, it's like drown upon. I pray that people don't shun her and make her out to wear the Scarlet Letter. I say this again, I'm very proud and respectful that Por lived a good life, married a good woman, had a beautiful girl, and left behind a legacy for his child. Someday she will be proud.

I saw Pancake at the cremation, same with Mint Chalida and Margie.

I know, she is so skinny now and she looks like she need to rest. She was in the hospital a lot and his death probably stressed her out. She will need lots of support for herself and to help care for Nong Mali until she is strong enough to overcome her husband's death. No woman would want to be a widow this young. My heart just breaks for her. The media should leave her and Nong Mali alone, it's like they are in her face all the time. No wonder Por kept them a secret. I would have done the same thing

It shouldn't matter whether she was married before or not. Yes, our Asian culture always put a bad stigma on divorced and widow women but please let's not think about that with her. She is a good person if Por was willing to start a life with her. It's unfortunate that he passed but it should not be because of her.

Mai,

It sadden me just as much too. Sad that he died so young, left behind a wife too young to already be a widow, and a baby girl who will never get to feel her daddy's embrace and kisses again. ???

However, as a healthcare worker myself, death can be unexpected. Many times we have patients that come in and didn't make it because their body reject the treatments or their body could not handle the stress. Yes, even in the best hospital too and even if the patient appear to be getting better. I don't know Por's whole medical treatment but I want to believe that his doctors tried their best. It was almost like a race against time to save him despite all the complications. In the end, it wasn't enough, his body couldn't handle it. I want to think that he was at peace knowing that he wasn't going to get better. I'm thankful he has Nong Mali. It's like he's still here through her. A piece of him is still living through his child. ?

Sorry, correction: I meant P'Por died on my birthday ?????

Coming from a medical point of view, there is so many more things I would have done to change his course of treatment if he was my patient. Unfortunately, timing and probably lack of medical experience lead to his death. No matter what, I'm sure he fought to the end and also allowed his wife to process a future without him. Just very very sad. I cried so many days now just thinking about Bow and Nong Mali. My son is her age and he died on my birthday. ??????? I will forever remember him ?

I agree with you Mai, that stopping his IV was not the right thing to do if his kidneys were failing and if he was still hospitalize. That said, Dengue hemorrhagic fever is not curable, treatments are done to treat the symptoms. In his case, stopping the IVs will lead to more kidney failure as his body was probably dehydrated. Medications can also lead to worsening kidney failure too. The other thing is because he has internal bleeding, it could have lead to a number of internal organ fail as his organs were not getting perfused enough, thus the need for blood donation. His leg was probably amputated due to sepsis infection or the blood not getting through to his leg, from the report, it was due to an infection. Leg amputation doesn't mean death, but having sepsis infection can lead to sepsis shock, which lead to death if not treated with the right antibiotics. He should have been on IV antibiotics and IV fluids continuously if he was my patient.

And no, the oxygen thing isn't a big factor. Once a patient is able to breath on his own and oxygen level is normal, it is normally stop to allow the patient to breath on his own. Being intubated can lead to more infection such as hospital acquired pneumonia.

I'm not sure what going on with his medical conditions but I'm sure the family will probably eventually do an investigation. Hopefully. In the meantime, Por is gone. What we can do as fans is to respect the family's privacy and to keep them in our prayers.

Dengue is a serious infection. Yes, the IVs probably shouldn't have been taken off. Kidney failure? Was it a result of the infection or he had it before? Many factors taken into account when dealing with this infection. We don't know his medical chart so we can't assume. I pray that he was in good hands during his hospitalization and that they tried their best. Yes, he might have had a chance if the hospital was top notch but when it's his time to go, there is no escaping it. I pray he rest in peace and watch over his family until the day they reunite again.

I'm sure people know about Bow and Nong Mali but they respect his wishes to keep family a private matter. In fact, I like it that way. He's human, you know. He truly loved his wife and daughter to want to protect them as long as he can. Imagine if he came out that he got married. There will be supporters and there will be those that will blash his wife because she might not be as pretty as whoever they wanted to ship him with. Then there will be crazy people trying to dig up stuff about her.

I understand why he wanted to keep his wife and child private. He probably wanted Bow to not have to stress out about her appearance in public or to not be herself for fear of gossip. Same thing with Nong Mali. He would have wanted her to grow up without having to live in her father's celebrity status. So maybe I am different, I would wanted to live in private just like how Bow did. Less gossip = less stress, don't have to act fake, don't have to wear designer stuffs all the time. I don't think the media coverage was due largely because of his new founded family. I think it's because he was truly a wonderful person who was gone too young, not because of illness but because of dengue fever, an infection that strike so fast and so fatal. And the media doesn't have limitations so it got a little crazy, especially with Nong Mali around.

I don't think he meant to keep them in secret for long. He has his reasons and we have to respect that.

but thai celebrity actually get a lot of privacy in terms of the kids dont get chased down at school, and Pors star status is not going to affect his private life that much. If he was that famous, no way they would not figure out hes married. Thai paparazzi if they are interested would have found out hes married long ago. Its not like they have the most respect for privacy in Thailand. To me I dont agree with him keeping them private. it doesnt add up to me. I get if its just a girlfriend, but keeping your wife and daughter private was to preserve his own celebrity status. He didnt want to lose his praek roles, thats how I see it.

I don't think he was afraid to lose his pra'ek roles. Look at some older pra'ek, they are still around even with a wife and child. I think it's just in his nature to want privacy. Plus Bow seems like a quiet person so I think she doesn't want to be parade in the public eye like a trophy wife. Look at how crazy the media is at his funeral around his wife and daughter. No wonder he wanted to preserve their private life

So far I have seen Ploy, Joy R, Vicky, Opal, a few older generations actresses/talk show people. No younger generation celebrity.

Poor Bow looks so tired and like her mind is somewhere. She's probably in a daze right now, like it's not real. What I'm most disappointed is that the media did not give any respect and privacy to Por and his family. I'm also disappoint in the transport of his body to the funeral, couldn't the hospital provided them with a better get away??? Also, the funeral should have been blocked off, even if they have to set up tents and walls, they should have done it to protect his privacy. I'm so shocked at the way his funeral was conducted, it's like the cameras are everywhere in his face just as much as his wife. His poor wife can't even cry in private!!!! I'm so disgusted with the Thai media!