[rissaya]

What do you guys think about having military withdrawal from Iraq? I know that Democrats are demanding US troops to withdrawal from Iraq by 2008 and Thailand had withdrawal their troops already along with sveral countries as well.

British is thinking about withdrawing their military as well ever since the Prince went to fight in Iraq.

[Kiss*Me]

even thailands are in Iraq too?

[natty]

sure why not.. just take out all our people and let them fend for themselves..then after that the world can bitch at the US again.. we damn if we do, we damn if we dont.. so let us be damn, at least we save our own people.

[tipstar]

I didn't know that Thailand had sent troops to Iraq either.

Withdrawing troops has its pros and cons. The pro being that the soldiers get to go home to their families. The main con is that Iraq will be even less safe than it already is. My belief is that they should slowly withdraw their troops. But this is subject to each government's decision.

[rissaya]

Kiss*Me, on Mar 9 2007, 02:25 PM, said:

even thailands are in Iraq too?  

Yes, believe it or not Thai troops join Iraq force along with other countries that we don't expect them to part-take in this matter are in Iraq helping to restore peace, etc.

I believe Thailand sent their troops to Iraq in 2003 after Bush administration intensifies efforts through the United Nations to broaden international involvement in ending the post-war violence in Iraq.

Thai Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawat did not openly support the U.S.-led war on Iraq, but has expressed a willingness to participate in the reconstruction process.

However, the deployment of the troops has been criticized by opposition parties because the move was approved without first being debated in parliament.

Comprising largely of army engineers, guards and medical personnel the Thai troops will serve for six months based in the city of Karbala in central Iraq.

Two Thai soldiers were killed during an insurgent attack at Camp Lima, about 100 kilometers south of Baghdad. As a result, the Thai government began to sense concern about the safety of its troops and began to withdrawal from Iraq because they feel that it is best for its troops.

The Thai troops were part of a Polish-led multinational force.

[rissaya]

tipstar, on Mar 10 2007, 01:59 AM, said:

I didn't know that Thailand had sent troops to Iraq either.

Withdrawing troops has its pros and cons. The pro being that the soldiers get to go home to their families. The main con is that Iraq will be even less safe than it already is. My belief is that they should slowly withdraw their troops. But this is subject to each government's decision.

I agreed with you that there are advantages and disadvantages of withdrawing troops from the war of "Iraqi Freedom". In my opinion this war is similar to Vietnam war, where the US have no right for being there at the first place. Where is the "weapon of mass destruction?"

I think the US is trying to flex its muscle again because US basically did not comply with the UN and then asked UN for help, thus make no sense.

If US suddenly pull out of Iraq then its beat the purpose of "Iraqi Freedom" and US will have to open up new wave of immigrates again due to suddenly pulling out of Iraq.

If US or other countries starts to pull out quickly, Iraqi civilians will suffer the most because the other parties (Saddam followers, etc) will try to take it over again. There will be civil war in Iraq.

[rissaya]

natty, on Mar 9 2007, 06:22 PM, said:

sure why not.. just take out all our people and let them fend for themselves..then after that the world can bitch at the US again.. we damn if we do, we damn if we dont.. so let us be damn, at least we save our own people.

I understand where your coming from! If the US would comply with international rules then US of A will not get all of the "damn" from the rest of the world. In my opinion, the first mistake was not complying with the UN, second was ripping on France for not being US allied. I still remember when people don't want to call "french fries" anymore and they called it "freedom fries" because France don't agree with what US of A is doing.

I understand that the safety of the troops comes first, but when US declared a war, US of A needs to assure that civilians are not harm. Civilians do not have weapons and I don't think civilians can fully defend themself because they are not fully train. They will be ambush instantly. Even though soldiers are professionally trained, they are still been ambushed and killed each day.

[dynomite]

If you live in the USA, and are 18 years and older and have citizenship, you can thank them for voting or not voting, so that GWB was elected to office and caused part of the mayhem.

[AnNiE]

i don't think the war solved anything and it's doing nothing now, except destroy everything...it was a bad idea based on bad judgement in the first place. the troops should withdraw...i don't even know what their purpose is over there now...not all iraqui people are terrorists and the war's destroying innocent people's lives...i think that more should be done to help them rebuild their lives, etc.

[Tara]

i personally would like the soldiers to be withdrawn from Iraq... i have love ones in the army and i can not stand to think of them being sent there and i know that the soldier's family also want them back home safely too.. whatever they do i just want all the troops back home safety..

[shampoo]

This war has been going forever and there is no progressing.
Withdrawal or not there is a problem.

[dynomite]

What I don't understand is why everyone is so hard up on thinking that the war is based on one or two factors.

The logic of implantation of US forces in the middle east is multi-faceted. And I cannot provide evidence or proof, but I believe that my thoughts are part of the thought process as discussions do involve multiple cabinet members and advisors. To think they didn't think of any of the other issues would be sadly a intellectually starved group of politicians.

Westernization of the middle east is a good thing.

If you have discussions with people from Africa and compare South Africa with other countries, Westernization of that country has done wonders.

While innocent lives are lost, progression of society will hopefully provide a betterment for future generations.

Especially women in these countries cultures are treated like dirt and if you saw how they were treated, I'm sure you would appreciate US involvement as one factor to assist in that issue if not the "Weapons of Mass Destruction" or "Oil" that everyone uses to get us out as soon as possible. While I do not support GWB and his methods of entering this war, the ideal of assisting the middle east is a good and necessary thing in the long run.

It is unfortunate that GWB handled it poorly, stating religious reasons among other things for entering this war.

If only Sept 11 happened when Clinton was in office, the matters would have been resolved in a better manner I'm sure. And I'm not even a democrat.

This post has been edited by dynomite: 11 March 2007 - 10:45 AM

[KhoOnxNouxWanxJai]

Well Theres a 50/50 Chance that Sept.11 Would have not happened if Clinton was in office.. but regardless of the reasons.. I think the reasons why The citizens continued to put Bush in office for a 2nd term.. is because they didn't want to have to put someone else in that position to clean up after his mess.. And also it would have been unfair to place someone else to handle that ... also the candidate that was up against Bush for 2nd term was Kerry.. and honestly .. I think if he was elected .. as bad as a job as people think Bush is doing... Kerry would have probably did worst.. I'm not gonna say I support or not support the troops or bush.. because I have family who have volunteered to go to Iraq.. and I don't want to be against their cause.. but at the same time I can't say I agree with their decisions.. Although I disagree.. I'm not going to say it anyones face.. because .. right now what they need is my support as family and friends... I can't tell them .. I don't know what you were thinking.. and I can't be angry with Bush ... because in reality Bush didn't send my family and friends.. they had volunteered .. and if they believe in the cause the being there then I will support them


As for the withdrawal of troops from Iraq .. my opinions on that .. even though I agree with it .. I can't say its a good thing.. because even if the US wanted to stop all the warring the other side may not..

I once use the ask the same kinds of questions ..

why is there still war?
why are we still in Iraq?

and alot more.. but then as I began to look at it from a different point of view.. it just changed my whole opinion on this matter.. I use to criticize Bush... and etc .. but all that does is put us more against each other .. like him or not he is our president now and we can do nothing but support each other .. otherwise we'd be back to the Civil War all over again...

And there are so many events that can be foreshadowed from this point ..


when the new president take office will he withdraw the troops?
If yes how would the new president deal if we are targeted again?
will iraq continue to target the us?

and if you think about it .. the new president will be at blame for any thing that goes wrong...

NO OFFENSE, but anyone who voted Bush in the Election shouldn't have the right to complain .. Especially if you voted him 2 terms...

Ok let me stop there.. thats so much blabbing for lil ol me lol

[AnNiE]

^ wow...long post! so you're in between on the subject matter of being against or for the war, right?

[KhoOnxNouxWanxJai]

Well I can't say I'm against it and I can't say I'm for it .. because my thoughts are equal and opinionated to both sides ..

NO ONE likes war.. but sometimes its necessary to keep peace..even if we don't war against them .. they will war against us.. and my love ones believe in the cause .. so I won't tell them .. why are you doing this and such .. because they volunteered themselves into going to Iraq it would be one thing if they were drafted in which they weren't

and against war because it causes homes and lives to be destroyed and it separates people...

honestly we as a nation regardless of our personal opinions should support or troops and the president .. like it or not.. ... because for one thing .. we as a people have the obligation to one another to support our country .. and if you don't like America.. but currently living here .. then .. hmmm thats a whole different ball game...

the civil war was between the division of the north and the south .. and in events such as these where are people are divided between for and against the war .. is a whole different civil war..

so to answer your question yes I'm in between.. not because I want to be ... but because I need to be .. for it .. I have to be because I need to support my love ones and the country I call home .. and against it .. because its harming the people around me and my family members .. and it causes hate..


bleh .. iono i'm just very emotional lately hahha lol